In April 2019, the New Museum presented a conversation between artist Adelita Husni-Bey and New York University professor Michelle Castañeda on the occasion of the exhibition “Adelita Husni Bey: Chiron”. Taking their cues from Husni-Bey’s first New York solo exhibition, “Chiron,” Professor Castañeda and the artist discussed the intersection of performance, law, and immigration. Castañeda specializes in investigating what and how the law performs in relationship to US immigration policy, while Husni-Bey’s newest installation Chiron addressed historical and contemporary forms of rule, legislation, and the policing of bodies within society through experimental forms of pedagogy and performance. Together, Husni-Bey and Castañeda explored how Husni-Bey’s work engages conversations on immigration in the United States and the very real implications of trauma and exhaustion experienced by affected individuals, families, and those who work to guide them through the nation’s bureaucratic legal system.